Posted in On the Path, Precepts Holders, Vinaya

Ordinations – proof

How we have to prove our ordination in modern times? Can’t do it on handshake or based upon words, dream it or imagine it.  Frauds abound and have always been a problem, so the wise elders created certificates with clearly identifiable information on it. We carry this with us all the time, and safeguard it. It’s only produced when we reside as a guest in a new temple or as a new resident of another temple. Just usually once and only to a monastic Sangha member assigned to verify our status. This is usually a stamped or visibly signed ordination certificate from a national buddhist council with picture and numbers to cross check for verification.

Who participates in the process? The candidate, the preceptor, their temple, the ordination temple, their ordination committee, their national ordination council.  Ordination bodies that are designated as ordination councils are the only members allowed to issue certificates after full application is made by the candidate, the preceptor and the hosting ordination temple, verification by the preceptor during the arrival of the candidate, verifcation of completion of the ordination by the candidate and then later by the preceptor temple upon the newly ordaines return to the preceptor temple after.

Ordinations mean a great deal to communities that host them, their monastics and laypeople are proud to offer the opportunity for ordianation candidates and they often go to great lengths to be a part of dana or even present to witness the event.  Rarely ever done in secrecy for indeed what would be the purpose of that!  Ordinations are public events that anyone may witness standing outside the actual Sangha boundary.  Usually announced 2-3 months in advance to the local papers and community there is a flurry of activities to get ready for the event with candidates rushing to get their applications in and arranging transportation and schedules to accomodate the wonderful event!

Challenges happen and when it does it only involves, just Sangha members that are bhikshu or bhikshuni directly concerned with the matter, their residing temple, their respective ordination temples and those issuing ordination certification national councils concerned with discipline of either the bhikshuni or bhikshu. It only raises to next level of inquiry when there is missing usual information from those directly involved.

It is not a public matter to be discussed with laity or the public. Any complaints about monks or nuns should be brought to their attention first then that of the temple director or senior monk or nuns. There is formal Sangha inquiry on discipline matters that happen in meetings without lay people present to decide on investigation and consequences.

Legal matters involving Sangha requiring law enforcement are public matters that Sangha are subject to obey as per the country’s law and our Vinaya instruction. This is totally separate from Sangha matters regarding Vinaya. There is is no code of silence among Buddhist Sangha at all, nor sanctuary for those having done criminal acts trying to escape investigation and courts.

Gossip is to be discouraged among Sangha members and about Sangha itself and particularly about Sangha matters like adherance to Vinaya conduct. This being written, fakery is horribly abundant, and talk does happen; whether it is about fakes or the real thing it hurts the Sangha and our sense of community. There is a difference if Sangha members discuss a matter among themselves for sake of improving community and safeguarding their harmony which is for the better of the community rather than disparaging a group or a person. Unfortunately when something goes wrong there is an abundance of this type of non-virutous talk.

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More on Precept Levels See Sept 29

Thank you Lee for your questions about the precepts. Yes, there are a variety of choices regarding the precepts for laity and those interested in monastic life may consider variations on what level they want to achieve.


Beginners – 3 Refuges (in the Buddha, the Dharma, the Sangha)
and the 5 precepts (no killing, no stealing, no lying, to sexual misconduct, no intoxicants). This starts your offical life as a Buddhist…. and usually the temple offers both together and some may choose to wait until they study Buddhism more to accept the 5 precepts separately.

PERMIT me a RAMBLE…. This category of people are not automatically Buddhists: scholars of Buddhism, students of Buddhism, admirers of Buddha, people who know who Buddha is, tourists, members of Buddhist forums, friends of Buddhists, catholic priests and nuns, ex-monks, ex-nuns, temporary ordained for: a day, a hour, a week, a month, a year type layperson; those christian pastors/reverends who spent a days’ visit in a temple and are claiming expertise or ordination, one who meditates or used Buddhist methods, anyone confusing hari-krishna or hindu practice with being a buddhist monk or nun, anyone who reads Vinaya is NOT automatically Buddhist or ordained in anyway whatsoever by wish, thought or deed, etc. You need to take the 3 Refuges and the 5 Precepts to be considered Buddhist and seek out proper training on your role as Buddhist laity….and then progress under a great deal of real supervision by proper Sangha monks or nuns. Nothing is immediate; it’s all properly guided and in due time. UNramble.

Bodhisattva precepts – laity may take 48 precepts for guidance not for ordination, it means they get to use a blank robe (laity having taken the 8 precepts may be issued or not a 3 or 5 strip robe) depending upon the temple conferring the precepts… MOST just issue a blank robe with no strips at all…

Laity living in a temple

Must agree to observe the 6 harmony rules, may be offered 8 laity monastic precepts (Shegu-women, forgot the word for layman… foguang shan has this group). This group wears modest street clothes, or gray laity clothing as designated by the temple itself… not monastic wear nor may they be allowed to wear monastic shirts and trousers or vests or overcoats, they do not shave their heads nor look like monks or nuns; nor may they claim to be monks or nuns. They are more often stewards or liason officers for the general town or visitors.

10 precepts of novice are offered to laity after observing their life in the temple and by agreement of their division monastic leader or community vote of monastic sangha.

Monastic Life continues for the novice from this point

10 precepts and 6 harmonies are important to be able to get along as well as are the special temple rules set up by the common vote of the monastic resident sangha.

If the novice is not willing to or is unqualified to undertake higher ordination then they may with temple consent remain a novice for their monastic life. This is a case by case basis and determined by monastic consent of the temple.

Novices for life

This category of monastics are found in Theravada and Mahayana… they are special group of men and women who have realized they do not want to progress in their precepts nor return to lay life.

Due to lack of higher ordinations in Theravada orders for women you find there are novices of considerable years more than 10 many over 20 years before they cross into higher ordination due to unfavorable rulings by the Theravada councils against ordaining women after it was destroyed in 10th or 11th centuries CE, even this is largely unavalable to theravadan laywomen…

You find this also true for Tibetan Buddhist order in the Mahayana tradition as well.. In order for them to become ordained they must go to Taiwan, Korea or Vietnam for bhikshuni ordinatin.

Novices returning 10 precepts to 8 laity precepts or returning to laylife. Once one is done it’s done… Then the layperson can ask to become novice again in the same place or different place. Nobody will mind unless there is a fault of a major nature like breaking the 5 precepts, or being forced to leave the temple. The fault should not be hidden for that would be lying, so be sure to reveal any type of dismissal with the new temple or when seeking novice ordination at the same temple.

Higher ordination

This level is purely monastic Sangha level and gender based, preceptors are the sponsors for the male novice or the female siksmana (novice of 2 years study of bhikshuni precepts), application is formal and requested of a elder Sangha council (not the temple itself, unless it has enough qualified elder Sangha members to conduct the ordination) and by admission to the training program before the ordination itself takes place. During the training period, the candidate may be re-ordained as novice or not, may be dismissed for being unqualified or inappropriate during training, may quit the training and forfeit the ordination (this requires home temple to act whether they accept the candidate back or the candidate returns to laylife or remains a novice upon returning… DO not just quit like a job… risking expulsion from your preceptor. There are monastic helpers around during training if you find your confused or need help… quickly ask and they will guide you or contact your sponsor for you… don’t do it alone.. or you will be alone!)

If a novice doesn’t observe specific guidelines like separation from opposite sex: going with someone, even going for coffee or lunch is being with opposite sex person; this is the core of monastic protocol… we just don’t mix the genders due to the training rules and that includes in person conversations with opposite gendered persons including higher ordained Sangha members… If your meeting your classmates in mixed company then it’s seen as a potential flaw… you can’t continue to do this as a monk or nun without proper monastic companions.

OK HIGHEST ordained

Once you get your bhikshuni or bhikshu ordination no matter whether it’s Theravada or Mahayana; you get to keep it voluntarily for your life as long as your observing the vinaya precepts…

Exceptions… you know you don’t want to be a monk or nun anymore and want to give back your precepts… You can absolutely do this… Your not locked in for life unless you are capable and want to.

Parajika a defeat, is immediately upon the act and confession or revelation of the defeat.. Robes are surrendered, immediately returned to lay life and not able in this life to return as a monk or nun in any Buddhist Vinaya tradition.

Parajika learner a special unsual category of monastic who is defeated but wishes to avoid being disrobed declares an intention to become a parjika-learner to the monastic Sangha. This is a very serious matter that Sangha is required to review and decide whether it would be granted or not. I’ve not ever met anyone of this status in my young years as Bhikshuni. And I would think the person undergoing this status is under hardship and would remain humble in their community. I would think that this would be like being in living limbo… but the good karma of the parajika-learner would be an intensive lifelong study of Vinaya thus improving the next life chance for encountering Buddhism and hopefully a return to proper monastic conduct in the next possible life.

CHALLENGES to Higher Ordinatinon

This is done usually by temples or competing orders or due to lack of information or mis-information by Sangha members only. Protocol demands exploration into the history of newly arrived Sangha members or those requesting higher ordiantion… This is to protect the Sangha order, never is it done out of politics or spite…

A bhikshu or bhikshuni may challenge another’s ordiantion only to clarify and in cases where it will damange the Maha Sangha reputation, cause harm to the order, cause harm to the orginal ordination, in evidence of a crime, in cases where inapropriate claim of seniority, use of conflabulated titles, use of extrodinary claims of exceptional abilities, mental illness manifesting in a way that is immediately harmful to Sangha; lack of evidence of ordination having taken place, fakery of any kind, lack of qualifications in public and private conduct of the bhikshu or bhikshuni, obvious breaking of parjika precepts, criminal convinction requiring meetings about status. THIS IS SANGHA TO SANGHA NOT LAITY TO SANGHA EVER…

Sangha members are obligated to speak up to support their brothers and sisters it’s in our Vinaya precepts. Bhikshuni may address only bhikshuni/bhikkhuni and bhikshu may address only bhikshu/bhikkhu. Abbot/Abbess trumps everyone, and the legal system of your resident country trumps them.

IN THE WEST – There is no Country Sangha council in places like the USA… therefor the Sangha is not guided by anything other than Vinaya and their own best judgement in temples (guided by overseas national councils in their own countries culture) or monasteries or living in solitude doing dharma study or dharma work…. It’s still developing here.

There are new orders appearing in a new form of Theravada for bhikkhunis now, since 2009 there have been many sudden ordinations within the USA (three maybe four in 2010 alone) and in the western countries. This is an unsual trend and worth watching. It’s also encouraging that new statement by the Tibetan Karmapa to offer Tibetan Buddhist women a chance to ordain within the Tibetan Buddhist Vinaya…

Posted in On the Path

Jealousy it’s karma effects

Sometimes jealousy isn’t petty, it’s never good to be sure but not petty…do not discount it’s existence or impact on your life and your relationships… especially when it’s aimed against you.

Karmic loss and gain due to jealously… a personal story

I just found out my sis claimed my family as hers. Well for one she was too selfish to share her life with loving people and friends who tried to be in her life all her whole life…

A random date, a colonoscopy today with my sis’ ex-coworkers who asked if I was related to her and they asked me how her husband was doing, a foreigner and it was mine not hers! She was never married nor did she have a kid. Last year, in the grocery store I met her old neighbor and she said my sis claimed my kid was hers all those years! How sad that is and it makes me wonder just how far she carried that farce!

My little sister said years ago my sis was jealous of me! and wow and how! My sis was always cruel to me, never caring about if I could keep up with her walking (I couldn’t, always hurting) and I sought her out all these years out of caring and thought it was like real close sisters. How sad and maddingly this is, but now I’m aware and free of this delusion in my life.. Hope it makes for my better life choices from now on.

Hey, I took risks on love dated responsibly, married had a baby, raised her to adult and lost hubby… and dang it it was worth every joy and sorrow… I earned every one of those joys and sorrows, and they are entirely mine!

All the more reason to be aware of who your real friends are even among your own family… wow just something I never really got before today! Apparently I’m a slow learner because I thought of the best in people never once did I think one’s own family could be devious or non-supportive when actually they were never supportive, just odd…. that…

Karmic relationships that weren’t ever given a chance to develop due to jealous lies, misleading people about the person who is the object of jealousy, broken family relationships due to myth-making interferring with relationships with family… wow, it’s sad when you think of it!

But the best thing of all about this; is now, this day I had a chance to get the right information at the right time… I’m a bhikshuni and the karmic effects of being that alone are overshadowing my past and the effects of hers against me… that’s a fact!

Mom is a little more supportive now that the stress of dealing with my sis’ illness is not her concern anymore, her aging into retirement is going well, she enjoys life and solitude a little more than she thought she would, I’ll never be her favorite but then I never missed not being that! I was really a naive kid, never really undestanding family dynamics, let alone jeaolousy… Understanding has set me free of my self-made fantasies of what a family is and should be. Basic morality should be the core of every person regardless of their family’s social or learned morality whether it is good or harmful.

Karmic effect of being 50….. GREAT! Not to near death that you don’t fear time and not to far from your youth that you still dream!